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Post by mesquite on Jan 24, 2015 23:37:29 GMT -5
Is it worse than measles? Is the pain greater than falling off a bike? Or falling while roller skating? Or getting hit by a baseball? Or being bitten by a half dozen fire ants?
Does it lead to violent or sadistic adults?
For a couple of reasons I thought the following passage in Dreams from My Father interesting:
"It had taken me less than six months to learn Indonesia’s language, its customs, and its legends. I had survived chicken pox, measles and the sting of my teachers’ bamboo switches. The children of farmers, servants and low-level bureaucrats had become my best friends, and together we ran the streets morning and night, hustling odd jobs, catching crickets, battling swift kites with razor-sharp lines -- the loser watched his kite soar off with the wind, and knew that somewhere other children had formed a long, wobbly train, their heads toward the sky, waiting for their prize to land. With Lolo, I learned how to eat small green chili peppers raw with dinner (plenty of rice), and, away from the dinner table, I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), and roasted grasshopper (crunchy). "
I am not for switching. If anyone can convince kids not to pass boundaries another way, they should.
I am against the imagined evil and harm caused by switching. From time to time switching is in the news. While regrettably a few parents go way too far, the implication is that all parents go way too far. My personal experience was that my legs did not look that different after a switching as they did with a bunch of chigger bites. Pictures don't always provide a real pictures.
Most people who had switchings growing up turn out pretty good.
So I am having a hard time wrapping my head around a culture that says abortion must always be a choice, but switching should never be a choice.
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Post by twilight2 on Jan 25, 2015 20:38:29 GMT -5
As I left my childhood way behind.....Mother allowed us to pick our own switch.....
real smart we picked the tiniest switch we could pull off the plum tree...
eeeee owww that stung , next time we got a bigger switch ..hurt but did not burn like the little one did.
I think we should have had a few more switchings, not that we were really bad but it would have
enforced the rules a tad better.
No rules/ laws are by far in a mess
If anyone would open their eyes and accept the facts.....a child never corrected but allowed to do
always say always what they want is not a child you will be proud of when they grow up.
Abortions....... for those with a conscience grief lasts long....
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Post by michelle on Jan 26, 2015 7:13:43 GMT -5
I don't buy the argument that unless you paddle a child you aren't disciplining or enforcing the rules. And while I don't think that if you were paddled as a child you will automatically turn into a sadist or a violent person, but I also have to wonder if other methods of discipline were used, would we have turned out better.
Just because something is how it "was always done" doesn't make it the best way. We also used to use blood letting to treat most diseases.
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Post by twilight2 on Jan 28, 2015 16:21:34 GMT -5
I think punishment must fit the child, for some you can hug the "meanness" out of them.
For others the woodshed has been necessary to get the attention and respect of the child.
Whatever the punishment , if you do not enforce right one way or the other, the child is going
to hurt when they grow up and it may be handcuffs because never taught to obey at home they think
they don't have to obey ever.
Children are different in how they respond.
This society has a definite mixed up view of what unborn babies are....but a very definite idea
about killing eagles or destroying their eggs when you consider the fines......
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Post by mesquite on Feb 7, 2015 2:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by twilight2 on Feb 7, 2015 11:02:58 GMT -5
He is old enough to know the value of which he speaks,
Old enough to be distrusted by the youth who want to do what they want to with
no repercussions or authority to say no...
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Post by Cyngbaeld on Feb 13, 2015 10:02:14 GMT -5
As long as it is done with the desire to help the child and train him properly, and not in anger or vindictiveness, I don't have a problem with it. I think it is best used to teach consequences when the natural consequences would be too severe. For example, a child who will not pause and watch for traffic cannot be allowed to run out and be hit by a car to teach him the danger. If he will not mind a verbal correction and a lesser consequence, which should be tried first, then a physical correction would be in order. If it is something like a broken window because he was careless then he should have to pay for replacing it, even if it means doing extra work to 'earn' the money, going without a normal allowance, and giving up extra treats like a movie that the rest of the family is enjoying so that money can go to the window fund.
I only spanked DD a handful of times when nothing else worked and it was of critical importance that she learn that lesson, like stopping when I said 'stop' and not running into the street. That was a hard one for her, but she finally 'got' it.
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